emfjohn (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

american bull dogs and pit bulls are intelligent and very loving animals and are loyal loving pets sadly in the uk we can no longer legally keep them sad

malignantpoodle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Because the CDC doesn't just take a victim's word on what kind of dog bit them. There had to be a police report, the dog to be captured, and identified by their experts. You're assuming that the CDC just compiled their statistics on dog breeds based on a survey. The dog had to be positively captured and identified or it was either discarded as a candidate or thrown into the unknown category.

malignantpoodle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ok, let me put it this way. Do you believe that there are a greater number of the APBT than the number of all other dogs put together? If your answer is no, then you cannot justify why they account for the number of bites related to them. But what we do have is common sense, which tells us that 51+% of all dogs in the world are not APBTs. If they're only doing their share of bites, then this means that pits account for over 50% of the entire dog population.

malignantpoodle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Right, that's my point. We don't have to know the exact populations of each to know that one breed is more prolific than another. For example, we don't know how many GSD dogs are in the US. But we do know that there are more prolific than any other. The only way to support your argument that pits are only doing their fair share is to take the position that they outnumber all other breeds combined, because the bite statistics outnumber all other breeds combined. This is simple to understand.

CoolHandJean (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

How can we come to that conclusion when we don't know the true ratio of the # of Czech Wolfdogs compared to the # of GSD? If there are 100 CWD and there are 100 GSD, then the CWD is looking like a pretty vicious dog. 100 to 100 compared to 1 to 100. Unless I am still misunderstanding you.

CoolHandJean (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm not 100% on what you mean, can you explain it in a different way?

malignantpoodle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It's honestly not important to me or even you whether you believe me or not. I'll be perfectly happy with you not believing me because I'm not going to go find newspapers or try to Tivo local stations so that I can fax/snail mail you media for the sake of being believed. And truth be told, we already have evidence that both of us can reference right now, which you're chocking up as inaccurate. Go on voicing support for the breed, because I certainly will go on voting for BSL.

CoolHandJean (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

How do they know the person is 100%? How do they know that person knows? A Pedigree on the dog. Still not a reliable source, my neighbor had a chow, he told us it was a St. Bernard, and that he had AKC papers on it. Once again, going back to the "pit bull" breeds, I know many people who have American Bullies, but have ADBA and UKC registered papers that say they are APBTs. People hang papers, and unfortunately, APBTs have many hanged papers, especially with the rise of the American Bully.

malignantpoodle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Here's a good example; Let's pretend Czech Wolfdog is responsible for 100 attacks in a year. In that same year, German Shepperds account for 1 attack. Now, while we may not know the population of either dog, if we're to argue that bite ratios are the same, then we'd be taking the position that Czech Wolfdogs outnumber the GSD 100 to 1.

malignantpoodle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Right, understanding populations defines the expected number of bites. All things being equal, a dog breed that comprises 5% of the total dog population should be expected to account for 5% of bites. I understand that and agree. And while we don't have a tally on breed specific populations, what we do know is this; the only way that Staffies and APBT could be doing their share of bites and not more, is if they alone outnumbered dogs from all other breeds combined!