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freff (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Basically, what I'm saying is that everyone wants to say that Obama has electability issues, but when you dig into the numbers it's clear that at this point it's CLINTON who has some very real electability issues. And like their caucuses and small states don't matter approach earlier, saying black votes don't matter now (which is basically the argument, as it's assumed blacks will turn out for her no matter what) doesn't help.
freff (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The good news is that both of them are outpolling McCain even while beating each other up. The interesting thing is that they are BOTH losing those "white working class" voters Clinton is pointing to. Anyone not voting for Obama due to race (or Wright or flagpins, etc) is already pretty much firmly in McCain's camp. However if Clinton has a problem with blacks as highlighted by Rep Clyburn's recent comments, then good luck with MI, Ohio, PA and many other large states she'd be relying on.
freff (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
While blacks may not break Rebublican anytime soon, the justifacation from the Clinton camp to take the nomination from Obama has become even though he's beaten her in every measurable metric, he simply can't win and doesn't deserve the nomination. Couple that with some of the rhetoric that has eminated from the Clinton camp during this process that has played poorly to many black voters, and the potential for large scale disintrest from the African American community in this election exists.
charlie1der (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
That was one of the most informative reports I have seen in a while. This sure sounds a helluva lot more fair and balanced than that other stuff I see on TV. Crazy...? Crazy like a fox!
govspysonallchats (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
obviously the loser is the jerk that is disenfranchising florida voters to win the election. Wow i didnt ever heard that before OH WAIT 2000 Bush election. Oh wait isnt obama bush's cousin... and they use the same tactics to win elections? Oh no he isnt a republican plant is he. Duh. Freaking cult members cant see the forest from the trees ;)
Titan2Clash (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Are you saying the African American vote will break republican if Hillary is the nominee? I don't know anyone that believes that. I agree that Democrats have relied heavily on black voters during the Democratic primary, but once the candidate is in the general election, it isn't the black voter they have struggled to get. It is middle white America, the largest group of voters, that the democrats have to fight for in order to get the presidency. That is just historically how it always goes.
freff (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I disagree. Worst case scenario for Obama is he loses the older white workingclass voters to McCain and has to conduct a vigorous battle for Latinos out west and suburbanites across the country to make up votes in key areas.
Clinton's worst case is she loses black votes which Democrats rely on much more than the "white working class" vote as well as possibly losing the "liberal" vote and has to fight with Mr. Media-Friendly for voters that simply don't trust her. Suddenly, NY is in play...
Titan2Clash (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The "liberal wing" may be pissed @ Hillary, but truth be told I think the majority will still vote for her over a republican. Worst case scenario for her is that the "liberal wing" stays home instead of voting for her. But Obama's worst case scenario is that "Regan democrats" will go to the Maverick republican, McCain. I doubt they will stay home because Obama is the democratic candidate. I honestly believe a bigger chunk of them will vote republican over Obama if he wins over Hillary.
indi4bo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
If you know who Jean S. Pierre is? you would know what it means to be respectful to you opponents, but beat the crap out off them.
Respectfull,
Integrity,
Sportsmanship.
Winner,
Consistency,
Inspiring,
Delivering,
Those are trademarks of an awesome leader.
Obama is a team player, he is the new political game in town.
theastrusmega (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"Josh Marshall, wants Hillary to win."
...thats what I got from this video..thank God Greg Sargent kept it real, w/ real Math.
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