doesnthurt2try (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

dam they sound good... and dam you can hear his voice real good too..

steinber (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It's great to read so much intelligence on a single thread for a change. I want to sleep with you all...

DarkWillUser (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I remember this song from Night of the Demons. Awesome. :)

dtnyc5000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm with you. " a philosophical look at mortality." Any kid would roll eyes at me saying I'm the gothest, or rudest metaler in the room as I sit in my cubicle wearing a tie or lay on the beach sipping pina colada. But it's really a state of mind and a how intensely your sensibility responds to the stimulus what makes you realize how deep you really are into a genre.

dtnyc5000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I agree with most of what you said and hate to sound like I'm trying to stereotype goth but.. vampire shit is the epiphany of what goth entitles, no? And note that when I talk vampire is not just the iconographic characterizations but at the behavioral traits of the "bloodsucker" and "their victims". I think depression and doom lead 9 out 10 times to "vampire/victim" states.

dtnyc5000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Of course! Glad you try to break it down in more tangible factors because I'm not so sure we all agree in what Goth exactly means, therefore it seems we end up misleading or badgering one another. These contributions can only be good if we stop assuming people can read our minds or that they would simply agree with everything we say and see things the way we do.

trudgevx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

minimalistic bass driven punk music with a nice kick snare beat beneath it usually the guitar is sparse and mixed a little quieter than the bass and drums are thematically speaking the vocals are usually dark and often some what tongue and cheek helpful?

BetteDillinger (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

If you need to define Goth, you have already been sucked in by a need to quantify and thus unconsciously degrade. Siouxsie, Diamanda Galas, Bauhaus, all decline the bullshit genre "Goth"...because all are UNIQUE and different from one another. I guess Black Sabbath were the first Goths, then, eh? LOL Yeah, they're goin' on tour with Diamanda. I mean, both wear black.....LOL This is an intense song with dark, pseudo religious imagery. Just let the band rock you senseless!

themiff (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Like early Cure; Pornography an before. Joy Division. Diamanda Galas. Nick Cave. No vampire shit, just Dark imagery and metaphors. ...and Bauhaus did it right. Their lyrics are still some of the most intelligent and creatively inspiring words even today. I prefer to think of them as post punk.

themiff (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

IMO, "Goth" has become a caracature of itself. It conjures up the stereotype of white facepaint, red lipstick, and an obsession with vampires. I can say I ws "goth" as a teenager. No make-up though. The only vampire movie I liked was The Hunger, which in my opinion was a philosophical look at mankinds fear of mortality. To me, "goth" was more a state of mind. Appreciating music that wasn't afraid to explore the darker side of creativity, and using its' messages to understand my own flaws.